Comments on: Why SHRM is not the Antichrist of HR http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/ The bastard child of HR and Technology Thu, 06 May 2010 19:44:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: HR Carnival of Global Giving is now open! http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-13 HR Carnival of Global Giving is now open! Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:21:18 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-13 [...] out why he believes that SHRM is not the harbinger of the apocalypse in the uniquely titled post, Why SHRM is not the Anti-Christ of HR.  When I read it, I learned that Allen and I are both alumni from the University of Michigan.  Go [...] [...] out why he believes that SHRM is not the harbinger of the apocalypse in the uniquely titled post, Why SHRM is not the Anti-Christ of HR.  When I read it, I learned that Allen and I are both alumni from the University of Michigan.  Go [...]

]]> By: Joan Ginsberg http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Joan Ginsberg Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:59:31 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-11 Allen, this is indeed a thought provoking post. It's the 3rd time I have read it, in fact. Time to add my voice and experience to your comments. I totally agree that a lot of the problems with SHRM exist at the local level. But to me, that is like saying "the problem is with the employees". If there is a problem with employees, it is really a MANAGEMENT problem. I admit to not knowing the specific relationship between SHRM national and SHRM locals, but I think that problems with the locals, problems that cause member gain or loss, really need to be addressed by SHRM national. I have only been a local member for 3 months, and I am already VERY disillusioned. They claim to be one of the largest local groups in SHRM, and they may be, but they clearly have large problems, too. I belong to the national, but only because they were there, sending me conference bulletins. In fact, I didn't even know there was local and national differentiations for almost 10 years. Outreach on the national level is poor. And, as already stated, it's awfully expensive. I pay for everything myself, and I'm not working right now. How can someone like me volunteer to be a part of SHRM when the cost to volunteer is so high? China - are you still listening? My question now is - how can be change this? I'm ready to help! Joan Allen, this is indeed a thought provoking post. It’s the 3rd time I have read it, in fact. Time to add my voice and experience to your comments.

I totally agree that a lot of the problems with SHRM exist at the local level. But to me, that is like saying “the problem is with the employees”. If there is a problem with employees, it is really a MANAGEMENT problem.

I admit to not knowing the specific relationship between SHRM national and SHRM locals, but I think that problems with the locals, problems that cause member gain or loss, really need to be addressed by SHRM national.

I have only been a local member for 3 months, and I am already VERY disillusioned. They claim to be one of the largest local groups in SHRM, and they may be, but they clearly have large problems, too.

I belong to the national, but only because they were there, sending me conference bulletins. In fact, I didn’t even know there was local and national differentiations for almost 10 years. Outreach on the national level is poor. And, as already stated, it’s awfully expensive. I pay for everything myself, and I’m not working right now. How can someone like me volunteer to be a part of SHRM when the cost to volunteer is so high?

China – are you still listening?

My question now is – how can be change this? I’m ready to help!

Joan

]]> By: Allen Robinson http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Allen Robinson Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:28:18 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-9 I would like to thank everyone for taking their time to read my post and leaving comments. Thank you! I would like to thank everyone for taking their time to read my post and leaving comments. Thank you!

]]> By: Ben Eubanks http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Ben Eubanks Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:11:50 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-8 Great post, Allen. I think Trish's experience is a common one. Local chapters are the "face" of SHRM to most HR pros, and a sucky one can damage someone's perspective of the overall organization. If you're lucky enough to be in one like NASHRM or BBSHRM, you just might get your money's worth instead of an endless stream of "legislative updates." :-) Great post, Allen. I think Trish’s experience is a common one. Local chapters are the “face” of SHRM to most HR pros, and a sucky one can damage someone’s perspective of the overall organization. If you’re lucky enough to be in one like NASHRM or BBSHRM, you just might get your money’s worth instead of an endless stream of “legislative updates.” :-)

]]> By: Trish McFarlane http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Trish McFarlane Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:26:47 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-7 Nice post. Great to see you add your voice to the mix Allen. It sounds like you had some great experiences with SHRM early in your career. I think the SHRM relationship is a very individual experience though. I also think that relationship depends a great deal on where you live. If I were in Florida, for example, I can assure you I would still be a card-carrying-member of SHRM because they have very active chapters that do a great deal. But I don't. I live in IL, outside of St. Louis. Years ago, I went to some local meetings here and got nada. No guidance, no support. I did use the national site thought occasionally for webinars or white papers. I remained a member up until about 2007 when I was laid off. I could not justify paying the $160 membership when I did not have a job. Since then, my new company will not pay for membership. I'm not "anti-SHRM", but I'm also not racing to pay that fee when I'm not sure what that will get me these days. I love having China Gorman and Eric Peterson available and approachable on Twitter. I admire them both very much. I can tell you that IF I pay that fee out of my own pocket, it will purely be because of my respect for them and the face of change that they are putting on SHRM. I hope that SHRM will embrace more Gen x and Gen y thinkers. That would be a draw for me too. Nice post. Great to see you add your voice to the mix Allen. It sounds like you had some great experiences with SHRM early in your career. I think the SHRM relationship is a very individual experience though. I also think that relationship depends a great deal on where you live. If I were in Florida, for example, I can assure you I would still be a card-carrying-member of SHRM because they have very active chapters that do a great deal. But I don’t. I live in IL, outside of St. Louis. Years ago, I went to some local meetings here and got nada. No guidance, no support. I did use the national site thought occasionally for webinars or white papers. I remained a member up until about 2007 when I was laid off. I could not justify paying the $160 membership when I did not have a job.

Since then, my new company will not pay for membership. I’m not “anti-SHRM”, but I’m also not racing to pay that fee when I’m not sure what that will get me these days. I love having China Gorman and Eric Peterson available and approachable on Twitter. I admire them both very much. I can tell you that IF I pay that fee out of my own pocket, it will purely be because of my respect for them and the face of change that they are putting on SHRM. I hope that SHRM will embrace more Gen x and Gen y thinkers. That would be a draw for me too.

]]> By: jkjhr http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-6 jkjhr Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:20:05 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-6 A good perspective on an impotant part of SHRM's contribution to the profession. It's key to add to the education of prospective HR practioners beyond what can be found in textbooks. SHRM research, the HR games and the student chapters all add to that knowledge. I have involved for a number of years in the HR games and am always re-energized by the enthusiasm and passion that is shown in those events. A good perspective on an impotant part of SHRM’s contribution to the profession. It’s key to add to the education of prospective HR practioners beyond what can be found in textbooks. SHRM research, the HR games and the student chapters all add to that knowledge. I have involved for a number of years in the HR games and am always re-energized by the enthusiasm and passion that is shown in those events.

]]> By: @ChinaGorman http://www.logicwriter.org/why-shrm-is-not-the-antichrist-of-hr/comment-page-1/#comment-5 @ChinaGorman Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:26:04 +0000 http://www.logicwriter.org/?p=58#comment-5 Hi, Logic Writer. Welcome to the amazing world of HR on the web. Great post. It's good to hear that SHRM played such a strong role in your successful university experience. You're a great example of why our investments in the academic world (curriculum development and teaching tools) and student memberships (chapters and games) is so critical to the future of HR. Thanks for your engagement. And thanks for adding your voice to the conversation. Hi, Logic Writer. Welcome to the amazing world of HR on the web. Great post. It’s good to hear that SHRM played such a strong role in your successful university experience. You’re a great example of why our investments in the academic world (curriculum development and teaching tools) and student memberships (chapters and games) is so critical to the future of HR. Thanks for your engagement. And thanks for adding your voice to the conversation.

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